From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 5 00:45:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:45:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I can't offer too much help other than to say that it is not a common WRX issue. I've talked to several WRX owners w. empegs installed and none of them have mentioned this problem. I seem to be the only WRX owner on earth with alterator whine, so if you have no whine, let me know where your grounds are. Good luck on the trouble shooting. And trust Tony. From revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 5 19:54:00 2003 From: revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (revlmwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:54:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: Pics of my install in 01 spyder are here. I'm not sure exactly what part of the install is causing you questions, but if you ask I'll try to help. From tfabris at jps.net Wed Feb 5 20:01:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:01:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: And speaking of the Rev's installation, note how he trimmed the plastic on his, prior to seeing this trick by Morrisdl which allowed the player to be installed without trimming the plastic too much on his Toyota. The Rev. even commented on it, you'll notice... Oh, and by the way, Rev... I'll bet you can buy another trim piece like that from the Mits dealer and still try the docking connector move. From DirtyDozen at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 5 21:05:00 2003 From: DirtyDozen at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (DirtyDozen@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:05:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Another 2003 Ram Install w/ Pics Message-ID: > Uh, don't forget Saab. _S_ome _A_sshole _A_ctually _B_ought'it From tracerbullet at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 5 21:41:00 2003 From: tracerbullet at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tracerbullet@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:41:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: http://www.riocar.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album61 I've got an Eclipse too. If you line things up right, Dremel a little short, and block-sander the rest, you can get a much better cut in the dash (sorry Rev). I took a little off the left and right, and then the right amount top to bottom. I eventually realized I looked at it in the wrong order (the heater controls wouldn't move) and so I had to cut the upper part of the opening as well, and left, well, see the pics. The sides were cut a little bit too tall because of it. I had the empeg wedged into the stock brackets where I wanted it, marked it, and then brought it into work and had the case welded in place (just 4 tiny tack welds, I can easily get through with a Dremel some day if I need to). Just babbling, but as you get in process we'll give some help. From Chris_D at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 5 22:56:00 2003 From: Chris_D at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Chris_D@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:56:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: Yes, the real dilemma is keeping the steering wheel radio controls and having the pod for something other than a clock. I wish I could get it in that open bottom bay below the stereo, but it would be hard to reach there. I'd be happy to keep the factory Infinity tuner and cd changer and somehow switch between that and the empeg, but I don't know if it's possible. If it was, I'd sneak the empeg in SOMEWHERE!! From revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 6 13:00:00 2003 From: revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (revlmwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:00:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: It is possible to switch between the Infinity and the empeg, at least in theory. SInce you have an amp you can use the empeg as the main hu and then set up the infinity as an aux in. All you have to do is buy a couple of cable ends and do a quick soldering job... I can't find where I those links went, but I will. While writing this I realized that I am stupid. I just realized the whole six disc spacing problem. That's what I get for cutting down on my coffee intake. From revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 6 13:03:00 2003 From: revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (revlmwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:03:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2003 Eclipse Spyder install Message-ID: No problem... Although I did win best am install in Cinncy. (I was one of two am installs :-)) I've planned for some time on redoing it, but alas my money dwindles before my eyes. My occupation doesn't pay quite as well as my techie counterparts. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 6 20:48:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:48:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I'm putting my order in for a new '04 WRX Wagon within the next month... i gotta start doing some research on the install issues. Good to know others have gone before me. =] From tfabris at jps.net Fri Feb 7 13:07:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:07:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > I'm putting my order in for a new '04 WRX Wagon within the next month... Cool beans, Loren! Bring the brochure to dinner tonight. :-) From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 7 18:47:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:47:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I left it at home, and i'm heading straight from work to the SR. BUT... i'm going to Santa Cruz tomorrow to test drive and put in my order!! WOOT! From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 9 13:20:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:20:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Jim Hogan was a great help. He installed an aftermarket HU and the empeg together, so our wiring was a bit differant, but it still helped a lot. Click the link in my sig. to see some photos of the inside of the dash. And congrats on getting a rex! Welcome to the club! I'm amazed how many WRX / empeg owners there are. I've emailed with at least 5 so far. And pick up a smoked lens if you don't have one already, it's a perfect match. :-) From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 9 18:41:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:41:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Thanks, Brad. Congrats, Loren! And welcome to the wagon club! You won't be sorry. I discovered last weekend that a full-size OE spare *or* a studded Hakka on OE wheel will fit (darn close) in the wagon's bigger well, so I'll bid the fake spare goodbye and probably redo my sub to sit inside the spare. I also spent some time last weekend adding wiring for a ham radio and Motorola V60 in-car kit before we head up to this rally next weekend. Along the way, I discovered some interesting spots for hardware in the dash (if you aren't putting gauges in the center spot). I'll take some pics. Mod gently! From chango at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 9 20:45:00 2003 From: chango at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (chango@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:45:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: I have a 95 Pontiac Firebird that I'm trying to beautify and the install of the empeg also has to be upgraded. Here's the problem - The empeg sled fits in just fine and goes right against the recession. The problem is that the empeg seems to have a face much less deep than a typical in dash unit. The result is the player sunk into the dash kit 1/4". I hate this. I am now asking you all for help because I can not for the life of me find a mounting kit that does not have such a deep recession. The only recession I need at all is one just deep enough for the sled to lock into. So can someone point me in the right direction? From lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 9 22:11:00 2003 From: lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lopan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:11:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: You might try keeping your existing mounting kit but trying this found in this post by Mr. Fabris. Basically you remove the sled connector and move it inside the the sled... causing the empeg to stick out more. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Feb 10 00:23:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:23:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: Yeah, what Lopan said. Do Morris' trick and see how it looks. By the way, this is a picture of a finished installation with a similar dash kit, and I don't think it looks bad at all to have the player recessed a bit. Although I do see your point. From chango at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 01:37:00 2003 From: chango at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (chango@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:37:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: Well I was able to mount the head unit so that it isn't recessed but the problem is the cutout on the plate. I shoved a piece of wood behind the sled which backed into the air conditioning duct on my car. From the back seats it appears normal but from the drivers seat I have to look down slightly to see the display. I see the sled from this angle and it looks really trashy to me. I know that its nitpicking but caraudio setups seem to get the best of me. From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 07:56:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:56:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Here is a site that makes enclosures that fit into the sparetire well: http://www.subarusound.com/subarusound/default.asp I was thining of losing my Infinity Basslink and going with a 5-channel amp w. unpowered sub (maybe in the spare tire well). This company makes sub enclosures that fit on the side of the trunk for anyone that wants to keep their spare: http://www.geocities.com/subee_sound/main.html From lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 09:23:00 2003 From: lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lopan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:23:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: In reply to:I see the sled from this angle and it looks really trashy to me Yeah that would bug me, I can actually see my sled from the drivers seat too, I keep meaning to cut a trim ring like Tony did here, but I haven't gotten around to it. It might be the answer your looking for. Sorry to keep using you as an example Tony :-) From KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 10:36:00 2003 From: KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (KungFuCow@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:36:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I do have some alternator whine but only when the tuner module is on, strangely enough. Even theni t's barely audible. I have had my Empeg in 3 vehicles and all 3 did the same thing as far as whine. Only audible in tuner mode. I had the sled pulled out of the dash last weekend to run the wire for my Sony stalk and it looks like all my wiring was done through the OE harness. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 12:53:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:53:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Went and test drove a Sedan this weekend... Very nice. The turbo lag sorta sucks though... i was surprised to find that my Civic Si seemed to have more low end torque under 3000 RPM's... but maybe i wasn't used to the gearing yet. They wouldn't let me take it over 4000R RPM's because of the break in period... so i didn't really get to check out the power. The handing is superb though... and damn those seats rock. Now i just gotta wait and see what they definitely decide to put on the '04 version and decide if it's worth it over getting a cheaper '03. I can't f'n wait to get rid of my Civic though... i need a smoother/quieter ride! From tfabris at jps.net Mon Feb 10 13:38:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:38:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Pontiac Firebird mounting kit has recessed ledge.. Message-ID: Or you could buy one of Rob Riccardelli's black sleds! :-) From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 14:57:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:57:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: The 04 has the new face to it, offers a sun roof, has available heated seats (shaped a bit differant) and offers a black interior in addition to the previous standard blue/black interior. So, unless you want heated seats in California or need a sunroof, the only big change is the exterior. (And I'd advise against putting in an aftermarket sunroof because aftermarket installers need to cut through one of the roof supports that extends from the B-pillar. This will lower the rigidity of the car and effect handleing. Because of this, the factory sunroof is small so that they don't have to cut.) That is crap you couldn't take the car over 4000 rpm! The car comes alive after 3000 rpm. I would never buy a car if the salesperson went on the test drive with me... but that's another thread. With a few cheaps mods, the car comes alive at an even lower rpm and rev's so fast, you'll whip right by 3000rpm in no time. Since the WRX has a factory turbo, its engine was given a fairly low compression ratio (better for turbo cars). This makes the car safer to boost, but also lowers output when the turbo isn't spooling up. From oxymoron822 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 15:20:00 2003 From: oxymoron822 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (oxymoron822@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:20:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Power question/problem Message-ID: I have install my Riocar in my 99 Jeep Wrangler Amp mounted in the trunk area. Here is my problem whenever I turn on the windshield wiper (only the first time or if I haven't turned it on for the last 5-10 minutes) my amp powers down for 3-5 seconds. I think this may be due to too much draw on the electrical system, does this seem right, or could it be a grounding issue. Any suggestions on what to check for would be greatly appreciated. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 16:21:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:21:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Yeah, i was aware of all the new stuff... but they won't sign off on anything until if's official and they have an order form from Subaru. . . so i've gotta wait til then. Yeah... the moonroof is something i'm wavering on. I love the one in my Civic... and i'd love to have it in the Rex. But i've read so many conflicting reports on the whole rigidity issue i just don't know anymore. I'm gonna wait and see on that one. Yeah... i gotta find a dealership who will let me go over 4000... i barely got to drive the thing! From Rue at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 19:40:00 2003 From: Rue at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Rue@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:40:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Power question/problem Message-ID: >From what you've said it's not clear whether the amp is suffering from a momentary power interruption or whether the amp's on/off line (driven by the Riocar) is causing this. If your windshield wipers have a bolted-to-the-chassis earth rather than a wired earth then I'd say it's more likely that the cause is related to the power feed somewhere. If they use a wired earth then the opposite doesn't necessarily apply ;-) Where are you getting power and ground for the Riocar and the amp from? From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 22:26:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: God I love my WRX. Brad and I have the same one. Silver '02 sedan. Except my empeg doesn't have any alternator whine. :-) I just got delivery of some new wheels for the summer...17x7.5 steel grey Rota Tarmacs. I can't wait for April so I can put them on, roll down the windows, and blast my music. I think this summer I'm also going to Dynamat the doors and maybe the trunk too. A bit too much rattle for my taste. I took the WRX for about 6 different test drives over a 6 month period. 5 of the times I was by myself. I hear it's not too good to redline a car with 4 miles on it. Oh well. I had to see what it could do. ;-) From burnside at alaska.net Mon Feb 10 22:44:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:44:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > so I'll bid the fake spare goodbye and probably redo my sub to sit inside the spare. Take a close look at both the original ("space saver") wheel and the new ("full size") spare and take measurements before you commit! A lot of times, the space saver wheel is actually a larger diameter wheel (with a smaller aspect ratio tire to make overall diameter come out the same) than a regular size wheel. Be sure the subwoofer will fit into the new wheel! And, just an aside, why do you want to get rid of the "fake" spare anyway? All you'll be doing is giving up storage space in trade for the satisfaction of knowing that you have a wheel that will probably never be used but that nonetheless looks just like the other four wheels. In the last 10 years I have probably had a spare tire on the ground maybe twice, and then only for as long as it took me to get the damaged tire repaired. tanstaafl. From burnside at alaska.net Mon Feb 10 22:46:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:46:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > I can't f'n wait to get rid of my Civic though... i need a smoother/quieter ride! Now aren't you glad I talked you out of that slammed Civic you were looking at? :-p) tanstaafl. From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 23:13:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:13:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: BTW loren, if you're getting a wagon, this one from a nasioc.com member is pretty badass, and good inspiration to do some cool mods. From lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 23:34:00 2003 From: lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lopan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:34:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: In reply to:I think this summer I'm also going to Dynamat the doors and maybe the trunk too. I'm thinkin about that too, love my RSX but the road noise is a little bit much on the highway. Also my new AEM CAI is frickin loud (only when I get on it, which is kinda cool), I can't bear the thought of ripping everything out though, how much do you think a good installer would charge to do that? From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 10 23:55:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:55:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > how much do you think a good installer would charge to do that? not quite sure, but it's a pretty labor-intensive process, so I would imagine that for $50/hour or whatever they charge that the price would climb quickly. From KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 02:30:00 2003 From: KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (KungFuCow@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:30:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Since this thread has kind of turned into a WRX thread (Which is fine by me), does anyone else have problems with the compass equipped mirror rattling like hell from heavy bass songs? Mine rattles so bad it sounds like a buzz inside the car. I had to take it back to the installer for them to see it because they said they had never heard a rear view mirror rattle like that and it must be something else. And I only have a single JL Audio 10 in the car too! From somewhereth at sflat Tue Feb 11 07:36:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:36:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Power question/problem Message-ID: On rack and pinion type wiper setups, any crud or muck in the axle boxes, axle shafts or on the rack itself can cause heavy current draw from a wiper motor. A high current draw through a tired/high impedance battery can cause a large system voltage drop. The signs are that the wipers are "lazy" getting going, and if you see your headlamps dim briefly when you first start the wipers. Things to do: - completely discharge your battery overnight by wiring a headlamp bulb across it, and then re-charge it fully. Do it a few times over a month. - top up your battery fluid before and after charging. - check your charge circuit and fan belt tension to make sure the alternator is being driven correctly. - clean battery contacts and grease them with vaseline. - take off the wiper arms, unbolt the wiper motor and withdraw the rack cable with the motor. Careful you don't kink it, and make sure you unplug the power connector first. Clean the rack with white spirit and a rag. Regrease it with CoppaSlip or low-temperature grease. - rotate the wiper axles to check they are free moving: if they're not, short of removal and a complete clean up there's little you can do. If you can dismantle them, clean and re-grease them. Alternatively, spray a bucket load of WD40 into them any way you can. - re-assemble the rack by re-inserting the cable and wiping off the excess grease: re-connect power and check the axles rotate. If OK, replace the wiper arms. From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 07:57:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:57:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Actually, my friend was having this same problem with his JL 10"! He tried gutting the mirror (not recommended) but now the mirror just flops around. He never came up with a fix but is now looking for a regular mirror to put in. I can't help, but at least you're not the only one having this issue. From rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 08:47:00 2003 From: rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rtundo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:47:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 02 GMC Yukon Denali Install - Bose Message-ID: OK, I've taken the pictures of my install. Sorry for the delay but it's been soooo cooold here lately, been avoiding going out and tearing apart the install. Anyway, I have the pictures on a old Kodak digicam with no USB. Since I don't have a slot for the card in the camera I have to find an adaptor to attach to a serial port. As soon as I get them downloaded I'll post them. From KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 12:27:00 2003 From: KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (KungFuCow@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:27:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I had thought about going the other way and trying to add some more weight to the mirror like putting some Dynomat inside it. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 16:30:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:30:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Nice. Yeap... that's almost exactly what i wanna do with mine. I have been looking at the Rota Battle 17"s for a while. I'm gonna keep the roof rack though, i'll use it... and definitely gonna tint all the way 'round. I'm also gonna black out the badges instead of removing them like my civic... i mean remove them, paint them black, and reinstall. Looks saweet. I like the turn signal mod he did... haven't seen that before. If i end up with the '04, i'll have some interesting new headlights to play with too. =] God i can't wait. From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 22:24:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:24:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > Take a close look at both the original ("space saver") wheel and the new ("full size") spare and take measurements before you commit! Already tested snow tire and regular/OE spare. The lid almost fits back flush. I may either hack on it or make a replacement (since I'd need a grate/grill for the sub anyhow). > A lot of times, the space saver wheel is actually a larger diameter wheel (with a smaller aspect ratio tire to make overall diameter come out the same) than a regular size wheel. Be sure the subwoofer will fit into the new wheel! The sub I will be recycling is a modest 8-inch square Kicker Solobaric that has done fine for me. No problem fitting it and I'm pretty sure I can get the required volume in the enclosure, but I will definitely go through the plastic bag + milk jug fill test before I start wasting any fiberglass on it. > And, just an aside, why do you want to get rid of the "fake" spare anyway? Well, we are up to about 3-5 gravel rallies a year now depending on our other obligations and I wouldn't do any of them without a full-size spare. We haven't blown a tire yet, but have seen others do so and it'd suck to drive all the way to Oregon or BC and have to quit a 2-day rally on the first day due to no spare (as was the case with a nice S4 we rolled by in November that busted both tire *and* wheel...) For Winter Alcan, we will probably haul 2 spares, and not just because the Hakka 1s are directional. In part by using the well space more efficiently, we are hoping we can haul 2 spares and still make the trip without adding a Yakima/Thule rack and storage box. So rather than keep that weenie spare all the time and have to haul a full-size out of my storage unit on a regular basis, I'm thinking I'll just put the weenie one in storage. (Oh, and then there was the time -- after shredding a tire at about 95 MPH -- that I got to drive home from Montana on a tire that was "reeeeel close" to my Pirelli 205/55-14s!!) From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 22:43:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:43:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Matt, is it me or are those wheels on the black wagon (Rota Battles) photoshoped on? Something doesn't look right in the rear wheel. From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 22:55:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:55:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: Not to go on and on about my alternator whine (I've started like 3 threads on it) but could it be a bad amp? I have two amps (one is a cheap 4 channel Rockford 35watt amp and the other is the amp in my Infinity Basslink). Both are grounded at the same point: to a bold under the seat. I even tried the top of one of the rear strut towers. Now it is hooked up all the way to the battery's neg. power post. The whine is always the same. I had the empeg grounded via the factory wiring harness's ground and now it also has a direct line to the negative post of the battery. I even tried one of those capacitors that you connect to a head unit, but I tried it on both the accessory power and on the main power lines.... no change. Could it be that I have a bad amp? I'm thinking of changing to a 5 channel amp so that I have just one power and one ground as far as amps are concerned... just to elinimate one factor. Back to this thread: Did any of Tony's links help? It certainly sounds like an install issue and not something Subaru related. From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Feb 11 23:02:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:02:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > I just got delivery of some new wheels for the summer...17x7.5 steel grey Rota Tarmacs. I can't wait for April so I can put them on, roll down the windows, and blast my music. Yes, April approacheth. If the Miracle of Continued Employment persists, i just may have to get some Rota Attacks (easy cleaning for old folks!) and maybe some tires (looking at Sumitomo...) > I think this summer I'm also going to Dynamat the doors and maybe the trunk too. FWIW, people say that Dynamat really stinks. Not sure if the smell goes away or how long it takes. FWIW, a product that I have used on PC cases and which I am probably going to selectively add to the WRX is Dexdamp. Similar to Dynamat, but no heating required, easier to work, and no smell. I got it from these guys . Downsides? Possibly more expensive and heavier than Dynamat (it's essentially butyl rubber), and it could prove impractical to remove once applied (this could be true for Dynamat, I don't know). Also, it is harder to find. That Hamilton-Jet outfit might be the only source. Looks like some folks had a go at selling into the car stereo market but that Dynamat pretty much kept that channel/market. From burnside at alaska.net Tue Feb 11 23:30:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:30:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Power question/problem Message-ID: > - completely discharge your battery overnight by wiring a headlamp bulb across it, and then re-charge it fully. Do it a few times over a month. Ummm... Rob? Are you sure about this one? I have always taken it as gospel truth that deep-cycling a lead-acid battery was one of the many Really Bad Things (tm) you could do to it. Can you explain to me what this will do and why it won't cause sulfation of the battery plates? tanstaafl. From burnside at alaska.net Tue Feb 11 23:38:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:38:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > are those wheels on the black wagon (Rota Battles) photoshoped on? Something doesn't look right in the rear wheel. Maybe. In a totally non-scientific examination, I laid my ruler across the front wheel on the screen (17" monitor 1024x768 resolution) and it measured 22 millimeters across. The rear wheel measured 20. Not likely that he really has smaller wheels on the rear... tanstaafl. From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 12 00:03:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:03:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Power question/problem Message-ID: > I have always taken it as gospel truth that deep-cycling a lead-acid battery was one of the many Really Bad Things (tm) you could do to it. Ditto, at least WRT repeated deep discharge of a non-deep-cycle starting battery. If trying to improve battery performance by removing sulfation, then the routine approach I'm familiar with is governed "equalization" overcharging. Some techniques I see recommended include discharge, but not below 50 percent. So-called "smart" chargers and regulators include equalization among their phases, but not the typical automotive alternator/regulator setup AFAIK. I have 4 big batteries under my protection, so I stand ready to learn new tricks! From KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 12 00:46:00 2003 From: KungFuCow at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (KungFuCow@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:46:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: I resyched the unit and that helped somewhat. It still happens but not as often. It seems to now be more of a "the unit doesnt realize its been turned off for a bit" issue now. It will power down but it takes about a minute for it to happen. It seems to be much less frequent after a did a resync. On your whine issue, now that you mention it, my amp is grounded to a seatbelt bolt under the backseat. I had forgotten about that. I am using a JL Audio 300/4 amp to drive my whole system and it's also been in a couple of my older cars and been solid throughout. I'm really sold on the JL Audio stuff. From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 12 02:24:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:24:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > Matt, is it me or are those wheels on the black wagon (Rota Battles) photoshoped on? Something doesn't look right in the rear wheel. nope, it's legit. the color of the wheel is a super-spiffy limited edition 'titanium chrome' color. here is another pic of the same car: I probably going to go with raammat instead of Dynamat. I guess I just said dynamat because it's more of a common name. Raammat doesn't have the stinky problems either. :-) From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 12 10:47:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:47:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: > I probably going to go with raammat instead of Dynamat. Interesting, that raammat looks suspiciously like Dexdamp (the foil backing, weights, and the way it lays down). I will have to get a sample...see if it is cheaper, too! From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 12 12:10:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:10:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: JIm, I found a link to a raammat sale $20 off. The people that I have talked to that have used this stuff have nothing but good things to say about it. From Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 13 00:54:00 2003 From: Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mach@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:54:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Here From TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 13 03:21:00 2003 From: TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TheAmigo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:21:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: > Now I just need to do that thing to the handle... and add the led mod. Do you mean the illuminated buttons? Do those fit when you have a NewFace or are they too big? From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 13 07:27:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:27:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Greetings! Illuminated buttons and the NewFace work great together... From Derek at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 16 02:43:00 2003 From: Derek at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Derek Ward) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:43:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Install Questions for Ford Focus.. Message-ID: How did you get on with your Ford Focus lease car install? I'm picking up a new Focus RS on Wednesday and was wondering if the install is a 5 minute job, or if it will be a couple of weeks before I get my empeg up and running in it. Also, did your Focus have a remote control on the steering column? Thanks, Derek From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 16 02:50:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:50:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Install Questions for Ford Focus.. Message-ID: Blast from the bast! A two year old thread! I sent you a PM before realizing your dug up this thread. You can paste the PM I sent you if you want - I'll give better info once I jog my brain - it's been a couple of years. From revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 17 14:32:00 2003 From: revlmwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (revlmwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:32:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] My Spyder install... finally. Message-ID: My install isn't really new but I finally took some pictures and did my first electronic hack... so I had to post. My desire wasn't to create the perfect install because I know that about the time I get done I'll just want to change it. My goal was to create an install that connected as much of the technology that I use in my car as possible in the most simple way possible within a budget. Here are the peices of the puzzle. 20 GB MkII Stock Infinity HU with Infinity amp Sony PCG-GRV550 Laptop Hacked Delorme Tripmate (pictures of the hack.) IGO Port Replicator Even though I just "finished", the purchase of a Sony Ericsson T68i has got me thinking about going bluetooth. Effectively it would reduce my two wire install (power cord and usb to port replicator) to one (or none if I used only the battery). My next idea is to hook up a automatic serial switch so that when my laptop isn't present the gps goes to my Empeg. From bodybag at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 17 16:28:00 2003 From: bodybag at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bodybag@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:28:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Empeg install into 2002 Suburban Message-ID: Simple and fairly quick... true audiophiles will hate it... most will find it wildly functional... bottom line - it's the wife's car anyway! Objective - install Empeg to be used with the factory installed stereo system, On-Star, and rear radio controls. Removed factory tape player from center console but left factory wiring intact. Hardest part of the install is placing the sled in the spot where the tape player was. It will take some time, but if you have a dremel it's no problem. Empeg fits nicely where the factory tape player was. Angle is excellent for the driver to see the Empeg display, location is low enough to avoid most glare issues, looks like a factory mounting location, plenty of room behind the console for wiring and sled. Here's the best part - _Wiring_ Because I left the factory wiring intact, I was able to re-mount the factory tape player under the console and reconnect it to the stereo system. Now, audiophiles plug your ears and close your eyes, I used a cassette to stereo headphone adapter connected it to a female stereo headphone to RCA adapter and plugged it into the Empeg's front output jacks. Then I tapped into the factory harness that supplies power to the tape player and connected the Empegs necessary power and ground leads. Voila, Empeg connected and playing! Outcome - Basically the Empeg acts as if it was part of the original stereo system. It can be easily accessed by switching to "AUX" (which is used to play tapes) on the factory stereo. This turns on the Empeg and starts playing as normal. Also, no changes have been made to the On-Star system so it works properly still. Additionally, the rear passenger stereo controls are still completely functional too. Empeg can be controlled from the backseats with the Rio remote. Simple and easy enough for the wife to operate, sounds pretty good for a factory stereo too! Can't really detect sound quality loss, although I'm sure there is some due to the cassette adapter. I would note that the Empeg's volume has to be reduced to about -22.00 to make an even transition from Empeg play to standard radio or CD volume From ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 20 13:16:00 2003 From: ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ashmoore@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:16:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Empeg install into 2002 Suburban Message-ID: Where did you get the wiring specs for the cassette? I have been hunting all over and cannot find any info... From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 12:07:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:07:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Problem with install in 2003 WRX Message-ID: The wheel planes are not parallel in the (first) photo. The front wheels are turned slightly to the right, giving you a more straight on view compared to the rears. You are seeing a projection of the rear wheel at a greater angle than the fronts, so the linear dimension (horizontally) of the projection is different. Try measuring them vertically. Jim From StigOE at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 17:18:00 2003 From: StigOE at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (StigOE@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:18:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Here are a couple of pictures of my NewFaced Empeg. I thought the lighted buttons were a bit obtrusive, so I painted a bit on them with a marker and I think they look better this way... A shot in the dark... Another one with flash... Edit: How the **** can I insert images in the post? The image-tag didn't work for me... Second edit: I did dot my i's, but I didn't count my t's... :-) Stig From tfabris at jps.net Fri Feb 21 17:24:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:24:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Edit: How the **** can I insert images in the post? The image-tag didn't work for me... You need to dot your i's and cross your t's. Or at least count them. :-) (HTTP stands for Hyper Text Transfer Protocol. Note the number of T's in that acronym.) From tfabris at jps.net Fri Feb 21 17:29:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:29:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Of course, knowing what the internet is mostly used for, I think that Hyper Text Tittie Transfer Protocol should also be considered valid. I don't think the the W3 consortium would go for the validation of that one, though. From StigOE at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 17:37:00 2003 From: StigOE at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (StigOE@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:37:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace installation pics Message-ID: Well, if it was enough people requesting it.... :-) I found my mistake(s) by doing several BACKs... :-) Thanks for the help. Stig From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 18:13:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: Here's mine. I don't like the filler fascia around the unit, though. It sits a bit too deep in the dash for my taste. AnoFace is awesome, though! Now I need my lighted buttons... From tfabris at jps.net Fri Feb 21 18:23:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:23:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: It sits a bit too deep in the dash for my taste. Have you tried this? From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 19:17:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:17:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: I never thought of that! (Obviously...) Thanks! I'll try that tomorrow... From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 20:09:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:09:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: It seems to me that it would make more sense to apply some extra plastic to the front of the dash adapter between the sled's lips and where the lips currently touch (it'd end up looking like a picture frame) and have the sled sit further out. The reason that I (intellectually) don't like the concept of moving the plug is that the empeg will no longer slide into the sled all the way and the clips activated by the arm won't have anything to grab onto. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 21 22:18:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:18:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: That's a cool looking install though, with the NewFace. It's a shame (well, kinda) that the stock empeg look is absolutely PERFECT in my dash, and almost looks stock. Which is good, because stock = not appealing to thieves. Not that I leave it in my dash these days, but still. From bass4040 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 23 07:28:00 2003 From: bass4040 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bass4040@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:28:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] subwoofer install Message-ID: How do I hook up a subwoofer and a single 4 channel amp to an empeg? Two channels go to the front component speakers and the other two will be bridged for the sub. No rear speakers. From rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 23 10:18:00 2003 From: rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rtundo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:18:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: subwoofer install Message-ID: Best answer is to read this part of the faq: http://www.riocar.org/modules.php?op=modload It offers several ways to hook up a sub. From tfabris at jps.net Sun Feb 23 10:50:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:50:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: subwoofer install Message-ID: His question is simpler than what the FAQ covers. Sounds like he's saying he doesn't need six channels, he just needs four. So just do it: Four channels on the empeg go into four channels on the amplifier, and bridge the two rear channels on the amp for the sub. Note that in order to do this, the amp must support bridging of the rear channels like that. That's up to the amp, not the empeg. From thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Feb 23 22:44:00 2003 From: thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thrasher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:44:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: Empeg install into 2002 Suburban Message-ID: any chance of you posting some pics of what it looks like instaled there. From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 24 09:23:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:23:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: > The reason that I (intellectually) don't like the concept of moving the plug is that the empeg will no longer slide into the sled all the way and the clips activated by the arm won't have anything to grab onto. That is my concern as well so I haven't tried it, yet. I can live with it for now, but I'd like to look into a fix for it. From morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Feb 24 11:12:00 2003 From: morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (morrisdl@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:12:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: NewFace in 2003 Dodge RAM Message-ID: That little mod sure does get a lot of use. That reminds me, I have to check and see if i ever moved it back when I switched cars. Yup, found a picture in the gallery. Boy that riocar.org is handy. From Mystkrh at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Feb 26 01:16:00 2003 From: Mystkrh at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mystkrh@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:16:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] 98 Dodge Dakota Install Message-ID: Hey I just installed my empeg in my Dodge Dakota Go take a look at the pics!!! http://photos.yahoo.com/mystkrh under the empeg directory. Note i kept my pioneer head unit also so that i could keep my xm radio (just for comedy) -keith From MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 12:38:00 2003 From: MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (MinerTwoFour@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:38:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: Okay, finally got my hands on an MKIIa, now for the installation questions. I bought the truck off the lot, so it came with a factory am/fm cassette, 4-speaker system (non-amplified). The premium system has spaces for seven speaker locations. The 6X9's in the doors have to be replaced with 6.5's, becuase the auto window gear mechanism would interfere with most aftermarket 6X9's. There are 5.25's in the rear panels, which I'll be replacing with the same size. There are spaces on the dash for 3.5's, and a center 2.5. So, what I'm thinking, is that I'll need an amplifier (obviously), to run the 6.5's, 5.25's, and new 3.5's in the dash. I'm leaning towards getting a sub, but I'm not into the huge competition bass, and I don't have a lot of room (looking at 8"). The room issue also comes into play with the amp. I'm considering a 5-channel at the moment, running the 3.5's and 6.5's with the front, the 5.25's with the rear, and the sub on the fifth channel. I'm not extremely experienced with amplifier operation or installation, so I'll probably have that done by a professional. THE SUB - As I said, I'm looking to get a smaller sub, only to fill out the sound range, not for super bass. There will be times, however, that I would like to have a little thump. I listen to basically every kind of music, rap to bluegrass to classical to alternative (no opera, I guess). I am wanting this install to be as stealth as possible, not trying to advertise a system for stealing. I've looked at JL Audio Stealthboxes that replace the center seat with a downfiring 10", and are covered with the factory upholstery. The problem (along with the price tag) is that it was designed for 2001 and below Rams, that don't have a storage compartment under the seat. Basically, I'm kind of strapped for room. I travel quite a bit, so I need the space behind the seats. I've thought about putting the sub and the amp under the seats. But, under the driver's seat are power seat components. Under the passenger seat is the jack. If any of you are familiar with the Ram, there is a decently sized storage compartment under the center seat. I've contemplated placing the amp in the compartment and the sub behind the center console. I'm not sure of amp dimensions, so as of right now, I'm assuming the amp won't fit and I'm thinking of taking up a project to fiberglass a custom sub box for an 8" sub in the center storage compartment. Again, this is something I've never done, but I've found plenty of info on it. There are a few questions I have about the sub firing upward into the seat (no one ever sits there) because the seat is latched to the compartment, and I'm worried about rattles and such. Should I be? If the amp would fit in the compartment space, it would cure a lot of problems, or I guess I could always end up moving the jack. As you can see it's all up in the air right now. Also, I assume each sub comes with specifications for airspace requirements? I think the compartment would suffice, and it would be another unique feature in a truck equipped with the greatest head unit on the planet. THE SPEAKERS - I'm not really loyal to a certain brand, but I've been looking mainly at Infinity Kappas. Not any reason, they're just a decent brand, and they've been recommended on Dodge sites. I would be open to any decent brand (Fosgate, Eclipse, MB Quart). I'm not sure that the 3.5's in the dash are absolutely necessary, but I've heard good things about the sound reflecting off of the windshield. I'm not a huge audiophile (I've ripped all my mp3s at 128kbs - BLASPHEMY!!), but I'm going to want to hear quality music after dishing out the cash. THE AMP - Would a five channel be sufficient in this situation? As soon as I mentioned a sub to a Circuit City employee, he recommended a four channel and a two channel. Maybe that was because they don't sell the fives, or maybe he knew what he was talking about. I don't really have the room to place two amps, and I don't see a second dedicated amp for the sub being necessary. I guess I could go with a four, and wire all the speakers into the front and isolate the sub on the rear. THE INSTALL - The last install project that I was a part of, dealt with a cassette player, amp, and sub in a 95 Dakota when I was 15 or so. It didn't go so hot, but that was before the INTERNET!!!!! I'm more comfortable now with taking apart my vehicle and messing with the components. I've already taken the dash apart countless times, cleaning stuff, keyless entry install, and correcting an install of a mp3 changer (which by the way I will be selling). I'm comfortable with installing the speakers, sound dampening, and the adapter plates, but I'm not sure I would be the best at rewiring the system. I don't feel like paying for each speaker to be installed when I could do it myself. All the wire will be coming from the amp, so I'm wondering if a pro could do the amp work and the wiring and not charge me an arm and a leg. But, then again, he'll have the truck tore open, so it would be easier if it was all done at the same time. I'm assuming that because all the wires mu st be ran through the amp, that all of the factory speaker wire will be worthless. I'll probably leave that wiring, as I'm planning on selling the truck eventually with the factory system intact. I've read through the Installation FAQ's, but I have another. The ISO harness that comes with the Empeg has 6 wires. The connector to the factory system has countless. I know that there will be wires that aren't connected. I'm wondering about the amp turn on output from the Empeg. Does that run directly to the amp, and if so, what is the amp turn on coming from the factory system for? I assume that it is an input to the amp, but it runs to the factory head unit???? There is no factory amp (which by the way, in Infinity systems is behind the glovebox, if you were wondering), so is that wire currently serving a purpose? If there are any suggestions or warnings, feel free. I'll post pics later for those that are interested. From tfabris at jps.net Thu Feb 27 13:06:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:06:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: I'm wondering about the amp turn on output from the Empeg. Does that run directly to the amp Yes, it should be connected directly to the amp's remote turn on wire. Just like any other stereo installation. and if so, what is the amp turn on coming from the factory system for? I assume that it is an input to the amp, but it runs to the factory head unit???? There is no factory amp (which by the way, in Infinity systems is behind the glovebox, if you were wondering), so is that wire currently serving a purpose? Assuming that your information is correct about that wire's identification: Odds are, that wire is not connected to anything at its other end. It would most likely only be used if the car had come with the premium sound system option. (A factory amp.) In most cases, all of the various dealer and upgrade options on modern cars are plug-in affairs. So, to make manufacturing easy, every trim level of a given car will have the same wiring harnesses even if some of the wires on the harnesses aren't connected to anything. For instance, you've mentioned that there are speaker locations on your car which have no factory-installed speakers in those locations. When you remove the necessary panels to install speakers there, you'll most likely discover perfectly good speaker wires waiting for you. If you get the right adapter plugs, you can plug your new speakers into those wires without having to cut them. Of course, the other end of those factory speaker wires probably don't go to your desired amp location, but that's for you to work out. :-) From MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 13:27:00 2003 From: MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (MinerTwoFour@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:27:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: My fault, I was thinking that the factory amp turn on wire was coming from somewhere, like a power source. Guess that wouldn't make sense, though. I guess all the power came into the deck, then out to the amp. That was an obvious one. Thanks From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 14:01:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:01:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: Actually, the amp would have a power, ground, and switch. The wire you're referring to will go to the switch. It's just a signal to the amp to turn on. It gets all its real power from another source. From dodgecowboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 16:08:00 2003 From: dodgecowboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (dodgecowboy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:08:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: >From trucks I have seen, there is plenty of room behind the seats of a Reg Cab dodge for amp and whatever subs you want, I would suggest either goin to souddomain.com and looking around for intalls, or goin to dodgetrucks.org or dodgetalk.com, places like those to see what other people have done, you would be suprised with the creativity people use. I have a 2003 Quad Cab Dodge myself and I am about to fiberglass the rear under seat storage for some subs. From burnside at alaska.net Thu Feb 27 16:53:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:53:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: > If there are any suggestions or warnings, feel free. Just a few generalized thoughts, here. 1) Make the subwoofer a high priority. A subwoofer isn't about booming; it's about hearing the music the way it was recorded. Find someone with a pickup truck and a good, high-end stereo installation, and listen to some of your music in it. Then, have him turn off the subwoofer and play the same music. I promise you, you will be convinced. 2) A subwoofer is 10" or larger. (Yes, I know there are some high-end 8" speakers in special boxes that are supposed to give good results. Maybe so, I haven't heard them so I can't endorse them.) My preference is a single 10" sub in a small box. A 10" is nice and crisp sounding and is responsive enough to cross over at higher frequencies which will add presence and warmth to the sound. 12" and (God forbid!) 15" speakers, unless you want to spend a lot of money (literally thousands of dollars) tend to be boomy and have limited frequency range. Again, just my experience, there may be stuff out there I don't know about. 3) Amplifiers are always a compromise between size, price, power, and quality, and striking the right balance is difficult. But in every case, all else being equal,more power is better. More power doesn't mean more volume. (Maximum volume is a function of your speakers, assuming you have at least the minimum amount of power to drive them to their safe limits). More power means you can play the system quieter and still have it sound good. When an amplifier isn't stressed to its limits, it can provide a cleaner sound without clipping. If you aren't a serious audiophile who uses an RTA meter to make sure there aren't deficiencies in the sound inaudible to the human ear, then I would compromise quality in favor of power -- up to a point. The tricky part is determining that point. 4) If you've spent much time on this bbs, you've read this before, but I'll tell you again, and you still won't believe me so I reserve the right to say "I told you so" about a year down the road. :-) Spend a _lot_ of time getting your tag information exactly, perfectly right when you're putting music in your player. The temptation will be to get as much music in as fast as you can, and fix the "small stuff" later. Take your time, spend about as much time on tagging as you do ripping and encoding and uploading. You will find it to be time very well spent. tanstaafl. From MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 17:00:00 2003 From: MinerTwoFour at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (MinerTwoFour@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:00:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: Yeah, there is some room behind the seats, and I've been on dodgetrucks.org, but again, I need as much room back there for suitcases and other storage. I had originally passed on the idea of putting any equipment back there, because I didn't really want anything to be visible from outside the truck. I'm not going for a "show quality" install. I was simply saying that I didn't think I would have much room under the seats for an amp or a slimline sub. The more installs that I've looked through suggest mounting the amp to the underside of the seat. I'm not sure if that's even possible, but it would keep it out of the water and mud that would get tracked in. I'm still thinking about fiberglassing the middle compartment, but also thinking about putting in a box that "flows" with the center console, making it appear to extend to the back of the cab. I assume that I could coat it with vinyl to match the cab upholstery. But a mount back there would bring up rattling issues with the plastic tray (which I would like to keep) behind the seats. Also, I've looked at the Metra faceplate, and I was wondering if there was anyway to get rid of the "wet" look. It seems to shine more than the surrounding components. Seems like a small detail, but it would be noticeable. From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 18:02:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:02:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: > A subwoofer is 10" or larger. (Yes, I know there are some high-end 8" Is there like a standard that says that? I have a reasonably good quality 8" speaker (subwoofer?) in a sealed enclosure that rounds out the bass tones nicely. I can't tell much difference between it and my friends that have a 10" subwoofer, but admittedly, I haven't done any objective testing. From burnside at alaska.net Thu Feb 27 18:31:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:31:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: > Is there like a standard that says that? Naaah... just my personal bias. But before you consider a smaller speaker to be a true subwoofer, check out the specifications. Just because it can produce output at 30 Hz doesn't mean it is doing so at a useful level. The volume may be rolling off at 12--24 dB per octave, so that the really low frequencies while technically there will be virtually inaudible. Larger speakers produce lower frequencies. (Well, Doh! Nothing like stating the obvious, right?) I can see where an 8" speaker would "round out the bass tones" but you might be missing out on the lowest frequencies. tnstaafl. From tfabris at jps.net Thu Feb 27 18:33:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:33:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: A subwoofer is 10" or larger. (Yes, I know there are some high-end 8" Is there like a standard that says that? Funny I should read this post only seconds after reading this article. From Chip at jungle.net Thu Feb 27 20:24:00 2003 From: Chip at jungle.net (Steve Hartman) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:24:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] 2000 Dodge Intrepid Install, Dash and Trunk Photos Message-ID: http://www.riocar.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albun15 From njdboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Feb 27 20:35:00 2003 From: njdboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (njdboy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:35:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2000 Dodge Intrepid Install, Dash and Trunk Photos Message-ID: very nice! excellent job and really cleanly done on the dash. From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 28 10:36:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:36:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: > you might be missing out on the lowest frequencies. Like the ones that make you lose bowel control? :-) From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 28 10:45:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:45:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2000 Dodge Intrepid Install, Dash and Trunk Photos Message-ID: Looks great! You may want to consider one of Robricc's black sleds when they come out. That way the edges of the sled won't be so obvious when the unit is removed. Nice custom work on the dash piece and the trunk though. From dodgecowboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Feb 28 11:56:00 2003 From: dodgecowboy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (dodgecowboy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:56:00 GMT Subject: [Empeg-install] Re: 2002 Dodge Ram (Reg. Cab) Install (St. Louis) Message-ID: if you need to save as much space as possible, I would suggest a truck box with a small sub box sub such as a kicker solobaric and a single channel amp, you may be able to find one small enough to fit into the center console but you can definetly fit one under the seats, I have a rockford 800.2 under my driver seat, it doesnt leave any room at all and its real fun to get under there but it will go.